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Talking Back: Questions sent to us
regarding other methods of production
by other websties

On occasion I receive emails asking for me to either compare our production method with another method of home colloidal silver production, or to reply to another site that is affirming negatively about our method.

When I receive more than one email about a specific method, I decide to respond to it to the best of my knowledge here.

You will see that I don't have experience with many of the methods and claims that are on other websites out there.

First of all, why would I research claims about other methods when what we are doing here produces the highest quality, stable colloidal silver available in home production?

Secondly, I don't have the time and don't wish to expend the financial resources to find out if the claims on other sites are correct or not. I am quite content with the tests conducted on the colloidal silver produced by our generators, the years of successful colloidal silver production, and the level of our own health as a family.

If you've spent any time online researching and reading all about colloidal silver and colloidal silver home production, you have no doubt discovered that conflict and controversy are everywhere regarding this topic. This is rather sad for us, because you'll read that one home production method is superior to all others, that even all other methods are bogus and ineffective. (The guy with the "magnetic stirring" device comes to mind.) You'll even read on some sites that home production of colloidal silver is impossible! You'll read attack after attack, while each espouses their own method as the "only" method, and why all others are inferior.

Saddest of all, to us, is a very prominent "scientific" site that quite convincingly tells us that everything we're doing at home to produce colloidal silver is impossible and worthless. You must understand that this "science" site is merely a site that promotes their own very, very expensive product called Mesosilver. (They will sell you this brown-colored product for $25 for an 8 oz bottle.) This particular site has some good information (I've even used and attributed some information from them with regard to some issues below). But much of their information is pseudo-scientific, and has been called out as such by the lab scientists of other commercial colloidal silver retailers. Also, much of the "science" site's information is simply counter-intuitive to many of us who have been successfully producing colloidal silver at home, and for those who retail colloidal silver online. I do reference their errors in several of the topics covered below.

So, in an effort to respond to the questions of site visitors, I have posted many of them here, with my replies:

What method do you have for currency limits?
How do you deal with "runaway" currency?

This is a topic that seems to be the most recent, and one that has apparently been very convincing because I have been contacted about it frequently over the past months. (I dealt with this topic below briefly when I was first contacted about it a while back. I was just contacted again, so I'm devoting a little more space to it here.)

As with other topics, to us this is another "non issue." It is irrelevant to the end result of stable, extremely high quality, incredibly effective colloidal silver production with our method.

This is an instance wherein a phenomenon of the production process has been decided as somehow "negative" and has therefore perceived to have a negative result on the quality of your end product.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

It's a ploy of everyone from politicians to cable tv commercial retailers: Identify an issue that you decide is a negative one. In other words, "create a problem" that is non-existent. Then, "save the day" by remedying the new "problem." It's all about selling. In this case, it's all about so convincingly establishing a problem that no one doubts the "problem" exists. And then become the knight in shining armor, and "solve" the fake problem.

Because our colloidal silver has been lab-tested, and has been shown to produce 1nm to 2nm size particles after set amounts of production time, what difference does currency, whether it increases or not, actually make? It's the end result that you should focus on. I can't stress this enough. To inflate aspects of a successful production process into distracting issues to sell something, to us, is ridiculous. I just invite you to keep your perspective. If you are producing stable, effective, highest quality colloidal silver at home with a method that cost you an initial investment of about $65, why would you allow yourself to become distracted by something that doesn't matter in the long run?

I've heard that you shouldn't be bringing the air from your environment into the production of your colloidal silver because of the risk of outside contaminants

Really? Are you kidding me?

Look. If you're concerned that the air that you breathe in your home could be contaminating your colloidal silver for the few hours it takes for production, you need to move. The house you are living in is obviously too toxic for you and your family to be there.

I've heard that bubbling the water to create agitation only creates silver oxide, and that it will revert to ionic silver within 7 days

This seems to be a prevalent teaching of websites working to sell their own (much higher priced) colloidal silver generators, and found on the "science" site I've been mentioning throughout this page.

We have done our own tests on our own product over time.

Here are the results:

  • Using a Hanna PWT meter (which ONLY measures ionic silver), we found that the ionic silver reading may or may not increase by as much as 5% over 7 days from the day of production. In other words, if I am getting a PWT reading of 20ppm at the completion of my colloidal silver production, I may or may not get a 21ppm within 1 week.

  • We deliberately allowed the samples sent for TEM testing (see above) to age 15 days prior to shipping them to the testing lab, to find out if all the silver particles reverted back to ionic silver. The tests were conducted when the samples were 21 days old.

  • As you will read and view above, agitating the water in the manner we recommend (with an inexpensive, low-volume aquarium pump) creates a high amount of small-particle colloidal silver particles (measuring 1nm to 2nm in size), even though there are claims elsewhere that there should be no silver particles remaining after a number of days. Very large numbers of small-particle silver populate our samples.

  • Any silver oxide particles (a normal by-product of production) will settle to the bottom of your storage jar because of their weight, thus falling out of suspension, and not measurable in any tests.

So, you may or may not see a 20ppm product contain a 21ppm reading after 7 days. At that point, your collodial silver solution will have stablized and will remain constant over time.

I've read that colloidal silver simply must have a color,
or it is not "true colloidal silver"?

This question relates to websites that insist that true colloidal silver must have a color. They say that if a product is colorless, it is simply not colloidal silver.

This again is from the "science" website, and is one of those counter-intuitive statements that simply does not make sense. And again, we must realize that this site is promoting their own product, which is very dark brown in color.

We have been producing colloidal silver in the manner described on this site since 2008. In all cases, we experience an extremely clear end product at the 12ppm to 30ppm level. If we produce higher ppm solutions after longer production times, the product takes on a slightly white tint. This very light tint remains even after weeks and months after production. (In other words, it does not "settle out" or dissipate.)

We feel that we are able to dispute the claims of the "science site" regarding product color with 2 lines of argument.

The first line of argument: The previously mentioned article by the company Hydrosol, within the article mentioned above, actually tests the brown Mesosilver product. The University of Miami discovered particles as small as 5.5nm, but extremely large particles within their product (as large as 450nm) which accounts for the color of their product.

You will also notice again in the images of our own tests that the product derived by not agitating the water has both an amber color, and in TEM tests visible contains very large clusters of silver.

The second line of argument: Mesosilver (the dark brown product) is produced with reverse osmosis water (I read this on their website) and not pure steam-distilled water. This is extremely alarming. Why? Because of the problems with bonding that can occur with foreign elements in the water and silver during the production process. I have received many letters from customers who are horrified to see the end result of their production period produce a dark and/or cloudy end result. This is invariably because of tainted distilled water, or distilled water sold in grocery stores that is not in fact pure. (See the image below submitted by a customer who attempted to produce colloidal silver with tainted or questionable distilled water.)

The cloudiness and dark color you are viewing are compounds that you will not be able to identify, generated during the production process. The only way you will be able to know what compounds exist is through lab testing. Given you have no idea what these compounds in fact are, you have no idea if they will negatively affect you if you consume them internally or apply them externally.

 It is far simpler and easier to dump the product you have, and purchase another gallon of distilled water. If you continue generating the same types of results, search out and locate a higher quality steam-distilled water product. Even if you are paying 5x of 10x the price of the grocery store distilled water, you will still be saving a fortune by producing colloidal silver yourself (especially given the going rate these days is $25 for a 1/2 pint!).

The truth about reverse osmosis water:

I am so often asked if reverse osmosis water, zero water, purified water, etc are appropriate to use in colloidal silver production that I decided to post below the manufacturer's test results of reverse osmosis water generated by their own equipment. (These results are from NorthStar, a water treatment product manufacturer who produces equipment that I have sold in my career job for over 20 years. They privately label most Home Depot, Lowe's and Sears products also. The numbers in the chart below were provided by NorthStar technical support for their home reverse osmosis equipment.)

Below is a list of percentages of reductions of potential water contaminants achieved through reverse osmosis, with remaining percentages of contaminants still existing in the water:

Remember that the remaining percentages of contaminants are still in the water. These contaminants are potential for harmful compounds that could be generatored and/or could bond with silver during the colloidal silver production process.
Reverse Osmosis water is not pure, and is not suitable under any cirumstances for use in colloidal silver production.

Amonia: 90%
10% remaining
Barium: 96%
4% remaining
Chlorine: 99%
1% remaining
Copper: 99%
1% remaining
Bicarbonate: 65%
35% remaining
Fluoride: 91%
9% remaining
Cadmium: 99%
1% remaining
Chromium: 99%
1% remaining
Lead: 99%
1% remaining
Magnesium: 97%
3% remaining
Nitrate: 76%
24% remaining
Sulfate: 93%
7% remaining
Mercury: 97%
3% remaining
Selenium: 96%
4% remaining
Tannin: 97%
3% remaining
Nickel: 84%
26% remaining
Sodium: 86%
24% remaining
Zinc: 96%
4% remaining

Conclusion: For safety and efficacy and quality of use, simply do not consume or apply colloidal silver products, produced by yourself or a retailer, that do not use steam distilled water in the production process.

A whole group of questions regarding other production methods:

1. I've read that using a "reducing agent" is necessary to make high quality colloidal silver. Is this true?
2. I've read that "runaway current" is an issue with basic low-voltage transformers during the production process. Is this bad?
3. I've read that alternating the electric polarity of the rods is important. Is it?
4. I've read that bubbling the water does nothing to the colloidal silver, but that "magnetically stirring" the water is the best way.

There are SO many objections and issues that will attempt to distract you from the real issue of home production of colloidal silver.

So, what is the real issue?

We, and all the websites that discuss these varied issues are motivated by the same thing: to create the highest quality colloidal silver at home. We know that our system, simple and incredibly inexpensive, accomplishes that, for a very small investment. And we have the independent lab tests to prove it.
While I am sure that all the other methods you're finding online will produce varying levels of quality of colloidal silver, for prices as much as $1000 per unit, we can sleep at night knowing that our system will provide you with the highest-quality colloidal silver available in home production available today. And at the best price!

Responses to the above questions:
1. From what I understand, a "reducing agent" is supposed to "reduce" the particle size of the colloidal silver during production. Our process accomplishes 1nm to 2nm in particle size based on independent lab tests. A reducing agent is not required. Plus, I am not comfortable adding any other substance to the production process because of the dangers of those elements potentially bonding with silver, producing potentially harmful additional ingredients.
2. "Runaway current," while portrayed as a big negative, has always been a part of colloidal home production. As I understand it, it simply means that production of ppm of colloid content increases exponentially through longer production times. We've always understood that process. Agitating the water continues the production of 1nm to 2nm sized particles, even if current increases. So we really don't regard this as an issue affecting the quality of your colloidal silver.
3. "Alternating polarity of the silver rods." I was told that changing polarity every few minutes between the silver rods might reduce the production of silver oxide. And that it might extend the life of your silver rods. Silver oxide is a by-production of production with electricity, and is unavoidable. Silver oxide content is based on the level of voltage and length of production time. I suppose if you are sharing the silver oxide on both rods instead of one, it will appear that there is a reduction in silver oxide production. Regardless, shared silver oxide or not, alternating the polarity appears to have nothing to do with the quality of colloidal silver using our production method.
4. Honestly, I don't understand the method behind "magnetic stirring" but they are incorrect in regarding the issue of agitating the water with an air bubbler as being ineffective. The test results on our FAQ:Production page speak for themselves.

So to us, it appears all these issues are moot and pointless.

We are not distracted by issues like these, and feel you should not be either. If everyone has a goal of producing the highest quality colloidal silver possible at home, and we're already doing that, and have the tests to prove it, and provide you the means to produce it at the lowest price, why get caught up in other issues?

And we feel we've gone a step farther by providing lab tests that prove the high quality of the collodial silver produced by our generators, while the other sites are only offering speculations about theories.

To us, if all you need to spend is $59 for a complete kit that produces nanoparticle colloidal silver and ionic silver. So then why spend more? The choice in production methods, therefore, is quite obvious to us. We've used our method for years, sent it to labs for test, and enjoyed great healthy success with it for years. And so have thousands of customers! We hope it will be your choice as well.

Does "stirring" the water, heating the water, or using a "magnetic plate" adequately agitate the water?

This issue is touched on above. I have been asked this question by several customers. I have not attempted to agitate the water during production through a mechanical stirring method. Nor have I heated the water, nor have I used a magnetic plate (I am not sure how a magnet agitates the water). So I can only rely on customer feedback comparing other methods with using an air bubbler (found in our generators to agitate the water).

A customer recently wrote to tell me that he had been producing colloidal silver by using a mechanical magnetic stirring device. He had purchased the components from this site to agitate the water with an air pump bubbler. He overwhelmingly feels that agitating the water with an air pump bubbler produced a much better product, and one that remained stable over time.

I take issue with the "magnet" concept for this reason: As you read above regarding the potential harm from introducing anything foreign into the distilled water during production of colloidal silver, I have reservations about putting any other metal that will respond to a magnet during the production process into the water. The magnet stirring process, as I understand it, requires that a piece of iron is located in the bottom of the jar that is moved during production to stir the water. Do we know that a piece of iron will not behave a certain way when it is exposed to a low-voltage electric current during production? Will it form compounds with the silver? Will the iron being plating the silver rods? My intuitive advice is to simply stay away from adding anything to the production process.

Regarding agitating the water with heat, this is a method that of course makes sense -- until the water cools down. Heat agitates the water, and while the water is hot, small-particle silver colloids will be produced. However, the water will cool down, and you'll be right back producing high quantities of ionic silver and very little to no small-particle silver. Yes, you could heat your water constantly for the time it takes to make your colloidal silver, but it sounds to me like it would just be more of a hassle and more dangerous a method.

Conclusively, it appears that agitating the water with an air bubbler sets up such a state of agitation that the end result with our method will produce a far more desirable end product.